Episode 13: Redefining Rest, and Overcoming Overwhelm with Caitlin Morris
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Caitlin Morris, an Overcoming Overwhelm Coach and mother of three, helps moms redefine overwhelm and create space for rest and self-care in a way that works for them. Drawing from her own experience navigating the challenges of early motherhood, grief, and societal pressures, she empowers mothers to break free from unrealistic expectations and prioritize their well-being.
What to Expect:
Caitlin’s Story – From fitness professional to mother of three, Caitlin shares how motherhood transformed her perspective on self-care and personal growth.
The "ReRooted" Paradigm – Her unique framework for sustainable change, inspired by nature’s cycles, trimesters, and seasons of life.
Life and Loss – How Caitlin balanced the joy of new motherhood with the grief of losing loved ones, shaping her approach to resilience.
Redefining Rest – Exploring how rest looks different for everyone and the power of integrating small moments of rest into daily life.
Breaking Free from Mom Guilt – Challenging the pressure to "do it all" and embracing the importance of prioritizing personal needs.
Through honesty and wisdom, Caitlin reminds mothers that motherhood is a continuous cycle of growth, not a final destination. Whether you're in the newborn phase, balancing a career, or seeking clarity on self-care, her insights offer a path to reclaiming time and energy.
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I'm seven and a half years deep now into my motherhood journey. And I think one of the things that I have learned and experienced for myself slowly, and I have to remind myself of this too, is that we're capable of so much more than we think we are. There's actually so much that we're capable of. And at the same time, a lot of fear or a lot of insecurity and think I'm not doing this right. Or, oh yeah, I didn't show up how I wanted to. And I'm a terrible mom or I don't pass. This is Redefining Us, and I'm your host, Stephanie Contrera, Licensed Professional Counselor, And I'm so glad that you joined us today so we can dive into what it means to be a woman in today's society, figuring out how we balance everything, how we grow, how we be more authentically us and figuring out who we are through the transitions of life, whether that be motherhood, success, relationships, and all things that have happened in women's lives, because it's definitely not a linear journey. And I think by talking about it and normalizing it and validating, we can all rise together and be the women that we were meant to be. So keep tuning in. And I am so excited about joining the conversation and being in your ears each week. Let's get into it. Welcome back to Redefining Us. I'm your host, Stephanie Contra O'Hara. I'm a licensed professional counselor. And today I have with me Caitlin Morris, who is an overcoming overwhelm coach. So thank you so much for joining us today, Caitlin. Oh, thank you, Stephanie. I'm really excited to be here with you. Yeah. So let's just dive right in. I wanted to talk about your transition into motherhood and what your journey has been like. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. I have so many things and thoughts about this, but I'm just going to trust that what comes forward is meant to be. Maybe I'll start by saying my transition to motherhood was so much rougher than I thought it was going to be. I wasn't the type of girl or woman who knew that they always wanted to be a mom. So I wouldn't say that I had these idealistic views of how amazing and perfect and fantastic it was going to be. But once I did find out that I was pregnant, you know, there's so much planning into the baby. There's so much planning of, you know, what you put on the registry and reading. I remember reading, oh my gosh, what to expect when you're expecting, right? And there was just so much focus about what to do with this small little human. And of course, that's important. But you know, I'm seven and a half years deep now into my motherhood journey. And I think one of the things that I have learned and experienced for myself slowly, and I have to remind myself of this too, is that we're capable of so much more than we think we are, right? There's actually so much that we're capable of. And There's just at the same time a lot of fear or a lot of insecurity thanks to things like social media that we can get caught in comparison traps and think like, I'm not doing this right or whatever. oh, yeah, I didn't show up how I wanted to and I'm a terrible mom or I don't pack amazing lunches like this person does over here and think that we're doing it wrong and bad. When in reality, when we can slow down, when we can check in, when we can take care of ourselves, our intuition can come forward. We feel more centered, more balanced, and there's so much more that we're capable of, but I didn't know that at first. So it took me a little while to get there. I remember being one and a half years postpartum And I walked to the top of my stairs in my house and I was exhausted, had to stop because I was out of breath. And that was a pivotal moment for me that I've talked a lot about with friends in general and as a part of my story. Like, oh my gosh, I had this moment where I want her to take care of herself and I want her to know that. that she's important and she's special and she deserves self-care and she's worthy of it without doing all of these things. But, oh, I am not modeling that for myself. So that was the beginning. That was the beginning of the journey. Redefine what it means to be a mother for yourself, it sounds like, and your journey of finding your footing. Because I think a lot of people probably start In the phase that you talked about where they're reading all the books and how to do things, quote unquote, best or right or according to experts. And when you're in the thick of it, motherhood's not actually like that really at all. Yeah, absolutely. And when you are in more of that survival mode, it's hard to think beyond the day, let alone the hour that is in front of you. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like your first child taught you a lot, but I imagine your other two probably taught you things along the way too, because no two people or no two babies are alike. Yes. Which I had also heard, but have now experienced. Yeah. So I have a seven and a half year old, a four and a half year old. They're both girls. And then my two and a half year old is a boy. And they are definitely each teaching me different things. Yeah. So I guess I'd like to talk about how your work as an individual has influenced your work as a overcoming overwhelm coach, because I imagine those two are probably pretty integrated. Yes, they definitely are. So, you know, starting at that moment at the top of the stairs, I actually, you know, I had a lot of imposter syndrome at the time then too, because I was a fitness instructor. I was working for a fitness company and there was a lot that I had done and learned and knew the things that you're supposed to do to take care of yourself, right? And I was showing up every single week and leading incredible women and other humans through workouts and helping them step outside of their comfort zone and focusing on self-care and that time that they were taking for themselves. And I wasn't doing that for myself. And the work that I started getting into at the same time at that company was more of a training realm. And so I loved teaching classes and I started training other instructors to do that and then kind of started working my way up their ladder. And so I was training instructors, but I was also training other trainers to train instructors. And the thing that I loved about that work was that I got to see somebody and see their potential for the kind of fitness instructor they could be, the kind of person that they wanted to be up in front of, you know, on the mic before they could. and getting to support them in being uncomfortable. You know, the first time you put a mic on and talk into it, it's like, that's my voice, that's how I sound. And standing in front of a room of 20 people and it's so different. It's a totally different thing to know what you want to say and to have it in your head and for all of it to come out. And... to try to do that all at the same time. Like, you know, the pat your belly, rub your head. No, the other way around. And so anyways, it was really fun. It was really cool to support people in that journey. The training process was eight weeks long and seeing them and supporting them and stepping outside of their comfort zone. And then by the time their mock came around, kind of their final interview after training was over, realizing that they did it and they could do it and celebrate that and continue holding them through each evolution of their practice. And- As a part of my own health journey, I had found functional health, the idea of, you know, more, what's the word that I'm looking for? Preventative care and full foods and all of the important things that we know. And there was a guy, his name is Chris Kresser. If you've heard of him, he's a functional practitioner and he was developing a health coaching certification. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. What's health coaching? And sort of looking at that. And then a friend of mine said, you should look at this life coaching program that I'm in. I think you'd be a really good life coach. And I was like, yeah, whatever. Like, thanks, but no, that's not for me. I really what I'm doing and blah, blah. Well, then COVID came and I had my second daughter in February of 2020. She was three weeks old when everything shut down. And, you know, everybody knows it was a it was a different time then and got laid off by the fitness company that I was working for. The studios that I was teaching at here in the Colorado area didn't make it through COVID. And so I started looking at other things and was like, wait a second, actually, there's a lot of different pieces of coaching that are what I love to do already. You know, it's not telling somebody what to do. Some people think that's what coaching is. It's not telling people what to do. It's support. It's accountability. It's somebody that's a third party, but still in your corner. And you get to see things that they can't see yet, right? When you're in it, when you're in that survival mode, it's harder to see what else is possible and what else there is. And so went down the rabbit hole of coaching. I did a functional health coaching program and a life coaching program at the same time. Now I am going through that. I get pregnant with my third child and I am asked by the universe to put all of these things that I've been learning and teaching into practice on a whole new level when I am pregnant with my I lost my father-in-law and my brother-in-law within three months of each other when I was in my first trimester. And I was trying to get my coaching business off the ground and trying to do all of these things. And I just couldn't. And it was a... Another big kind of generative moment for me, I guess, when I realized, okay, this is the time to slow down. This is the time to go inward that first trimester of pregnancy when it doesn't look like there's a lot happening, but you're growing human bones and all of the things. It's okay to rest right now. And it's okay to just be. And so that was kind of the, I don't know, I don't want to say the... The end of that journey, but it was all coming together of me learning these different tools, learning the importance of well-being on a whole new level, being in it for a few different iterations of that, that I really, after that pregnancy and postpartum, we can talk more about this. But that fourth trimester was really, really tough for me after I finally was able to sit with the grief and loss of my father-in-law and my brother and anxiety and postpartum depression and all of those things. It was like real time getting to experience those things and be able to put into practice what I now get to support my clients going through. Yeah, it sounds like it's been quite a transformational journey, both one that you chose and maybe the universe chose for you in some ways or kind of thrusted you in that direction. Yeah. Yeah. I guess how do you personally conceptualize your journey with children and the grief at the same time? Because you're introducing life and bringing new family members into your world and then also grieving the loss of family members and having those two things happening simultaneously. exactly at the same time, it was probably really challenging to cope with. Yeah, no, I mean, a thousand percent. I just got goosebumps, whole body goosebumps when you were saying that. To be honest with you, I don't know if I've ever thought about it that way specifically. At the time, I was definitely very aware being at my brother's funeral pregnant, like, oh, this is a really interesting moment. But I love the way that you just verbalized that. So thank you. You know, I think Another piece of motherhood that I didn't see coming is the grief of mourning who I was and how I thought I was going to show up and honoring my journey, honoring all of those different pieces and also really struggling with what I used to be able to do and who I was. It's that kind of grief and death and rebirth cycle that I now, I mean, I bring it into my practice. We can talk about my rerouted paradigm too. But I think it's that life, death, rebirth, everything being a phase and a cycle that maybe we don't actually talk about. enough about in terms of motherhood and caregiving and all of those things. Because even part of the anxiety and depression I experienced in my third postpartum experience after having my son, like, I thought I had it in the bag. You know, I thought that it was going to, like, I've done this before. I've done this twice. I know what's up and I know what's coming. But there was this sense of surrender and grieving, like, no, I'm I am different. I have been through different things. I am a different person than the last time I did this and the time before that. And what is it like to be with it all and see what to do and how to move forward from that place instead of how you thought it would be? Yeah, the place that it is. Yeah. It reminds me of another woman that I met at a mother conference. It was a motherhood conference. And she talked about how when she had her first child, her life was really set up to have her first child. She had everything that she, quote unquote, needed. She had the relief set up. And then she had her second child, which was also planned. But then in the midst of everything, she also had a job change. And her husband lost his job. And then she ended up Yes. So well said. It's so true. So yeah, I think motherhood and life can knock us on our ass when we maybe don't anticipate it to. Those are the types of things I had a coach once say. If I, and not that I believe this to the letter, but it is an interesting thing I had a coach once say to me, you know, if you're doing your job as a coach and a human kind of going through life, Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, a lot of different pieces in motherhood. There's a lot of shame. There's a lot of guilt. There is a lot of grief that's not necessarily discussed. And I think we can get really isolated in that shame and grief and guilt and think that there's something wrong with us or we're doing it wrong or we're not enough. And so I love when I'm working with my clients to be one of the first people to say like, no way, mama, you're not alone. You're doing a fantastic job and let's keep going. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's something that I maybe have already talked about on this podcast, but definitely I've talked about with other people. You are not the same person you were pre baby. You are now a new person or at least a different version of yourself. And you will never be that person you were before because you've been through this incredible, entireing and transformational journey. And yeah, you, you, can't rewind and be that person that you were prior to conception. No matter how hard we try, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, this is related, but I tried on a pair of jeans a few weeks ago that I wore, I think, after my second daughter. And I am essentially the same weight, but they don't fit me. And it's because my body has changed, you know, and I had this humbling moment, but really grateful moment as I was standing there in my bathroom, like, why am I trying to fit into a pair of jeans from three years ago? Because I am in no way, shape, form, literally, figuratively, emotionally, nothing, like nothing is the same. So I think it's time to go buy a new pair of jeans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It almost makes me think like, and Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the things that I love working with my clients on in my one-on-one practice. Maybe I can talk about rerouted data. Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah. So is that idea of evolution, right? Instead of trying to make something the way that it used to be, the idea of being with everything and using everything that you have available now. So as a part of my... coaching journey, but also my journey as a mom, I realized and noticed and was picking up on these different things like, oh, these four seasons, these four trimesters, they show up everywhere. Four directions, you know, north, south, east, west, four seasons. And so I came up with what I call the rerouted paradigm, which has these different phases of growth. And the first one, just like the first trimester of pregnancy, it's or winter is fallow. It looks like there's not a lot happening. There is obviously lots happening underneath. And so this is the time, the phase when maybe you want to bring about change. You're feeling really overwhelmed. You want to work out, but like, holy cow, where do I even start? It's resting. It's reflecting. It's what do I need? Why do I want this thing? What is even like, what's the purpose? What's the goal? Why do I want to feel differently than I do right now. And again, allowing that and being with that. And the next phase is called reset, like the spring energy or the second trimester of pregnancy. When you start to feel a little bit better, you get some of that energy. energy back. I've joked before, the energy of the morning before your kids start screaming at you and everything feels possible. Like, okay, there is this thing that I want to do. I want to shift something in my life. And here is the thing that I'm going to do to make it happen. This is the goal that I'm committing to. This is how often, this is what it looks like. I'm ready to go for it. The next phase is called connect. I think one of the things that we don't I don't know if it's a part of our culture or, again, just the shame and guilt that can settle into isolation and motherhood. But I think that we don't leverage the community and the support enough. So this connect phase, like the third trimester, you're out there. It's the energy of ovulation in the menstrual cycle. When you feel the most energetic, you feel ready to be seen. It's the time to reconnect. Yeah. Yeah. And then the fourth season, like the fourth trimester, when baby comes is actually when all the things happen, right? Like when we actually, after all of this time and preparation that we are able to, or have to rather, get to work and do the thing. It's like the fall energy, the luteal phase where we turn inward. I've heard that they have done studies now on women that the size of their gray matter changes in pregnancy. And one of the Like reasons for that is because it gives us the ability to let go of anything that we don't need in order to truly focus on that thing, that baby that's alive in front of us and keeping them alive. So we give less shits because we are focused on this thing, right? So releasing the leaves in the fall, releasing what we don't need so that we can continue growing. So three of those four phases are preparing, resting or not doing a lot or reaching out and connecting before we actually do anything. the thing. And even once we get through that fourth phase, we still go back to the beginning in some way, shape or form. You know, just when we finally get the hang of, you know, baby sleeping through the night and it's so magical and wonderful. There's the four month sleep regression and then the eight month or whatever the heck it is, right? Just when we finally feel like we're on our feet, they get sick, something happens, they're teething, whatever. And it keeps going like that. And so it's If we can relate to change in a different way, and this is something that I love supporting my clients with, if we know that it's happening, if we know that it's a part of the process, that everything is a phase, then how can we take care of ourselves? What is it? You know, which phase are we in? What do we need in order to get through the next phase? phase. And I call it rerouted because if we turn that circle on its side, it changes, it shifts and grows and we shift and grow. And so we're never the same person that we were before, maybe when we started that thing. But, you know, when we give, again, give ourselves that permission to know that it's a phase, we know that what it feels like to be up here and Even if we drop back down here, we get sick, the whole family gets sick, it moves through everything. And we've been working out successfully for three days a week. We know what it's like. We have more tools to get back up here and to get back into that thing a little bit faster. And so I love, I offer that paradigm to my clients. We use that as a part of the tools when we get to work together. Like, hey, this is where you're at. Where do you want to be? And what does it look like to shift, to bring in the support, to rest, if that's what you need? I think rest is not celebrated and talked about. Yeah, I think rest, what you just mentioned, is really interesting because people think that rest looks like maybe going on vacation or it might look like a date night or whatever. But I don't know, to me, and I imagine to most people, all of those things create a lot of energy to get to the point of actually doing it. And then when you're on the journey of the date or a vacation, especially if it's a family vacation, I would argue the thought's so restful. So figuring out ways that you could probably actually rest in your day-to-day life. Yes. Like redefining what that experience is for you. now in your new life, I think is really important for people. And it sounds like you focus on that in your program. Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, pre babies, yeah, going on a vacation and sitting on a beach for four days was super restful. So totally, even though there can be a lot of energy involved in the before and after, there are a lot of pieces of that, yes, that can be restful. And a vacation with kids is, just a trip with kids. You're just doing what you were doing before, but somewhere else. It's still stressful. You don't get to just hang out in a chair and drink a Bloody Mary by the pool. And so, yes, you're so right not to sound a broken record, but instead of fighting the old, it is being with all of the things right now and allowing that redefinition of rest, allowing new possibility to And also, you know, the reality is as a mom, we can't wait. I mean, we do. Moms are incredible and we can handle anything and everything. Like we do that every single day. That's, I know that, but. What does it look like to wait six months for that vacation or that trip or that retreat or whatever? And how we're waiting and holding out for that thing that's in the future. We're neglecting, again, the now. We're neglecting the present. We're neglecting us and our needs and what we need right now. And so if we can bring that rest into really small pockets of our day, week, month, it's so much more sustainable. And What works for me probably is not what you do, probably is not what all of my clients do. So that's something else that I think is really powerful and important to touch on. You know, I have clients who come to me and they're like, well, why can't I just do this thing? I know that I'm supposed to do this thing, but why can't I do this thing? And it's because we, this is something I used to say to the instructors that I was training, and I don't know who came up with this quote, so tell me if you know, but don't compare your beginning to somebody else's middle.
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And a second half of that that I've found too is the only reason that you're reading and seeing the middle of somebody's story is because they kept writing. And so... the permission to just try something and see what happens or experiment. And again, move through those different phases of growth and change, even if it's a failure at the end, right? Even if you try to work out three days a week and it doesn't ultimately happen, but then you come back and you start with one. You know, you take one small step, one little thing. Like I say rest is important, but that can look very different for everybody. And so giving them the time and space in a coaching session to tune out the rest of the world and say, okay, it's just me right now. Taking a few breaths, like what do I need? What's important to me? Actually, I really like reading a book or listening to an audio book. I don't care about baths, right? And so why am I trying to think that I need a bath when I don't want that anyways? And so letting all of the crap fall away of what you think you should do and tapping into, what you love and what supports you and what fills your cup is rest to me. Yeah, it's making me think about, I recently had a therapy session and she asked me, you know, do you have mom guilt? And I was like, I think the only thing I feel any sort of guilt around is missing bedtime. And she's like, girl, if that's the thing that you're worried about, you have all the mom guilts to have. Like, you know, you're doing pretty good. But I do think everyone has something that they find themselves feeling like I need to do this. So I'm going to negate resting. I need to be available for every single pickup. I need to be available for every single bedtime. I need to be about like there's this feeling or desire maybe to always be available for others. when you're a mom, or even just in general, women, I feel like have this mindset that they just need to be available for everyone all the time. And what does it look like to say to yourself, I can't be available for everyone all the time. I need to rest. So I need it for myself. Yes, I relate to what you're saying. I have experienced high expectations of myself, as I assume, again, most moms and women do. And for the most part, my partner and I, my husband, we have a pretty equal relationship to take care of our kids. We also, my mother-in-law is with us in the same home, which is amazing. And I could nerd out about an inter or multi-generational living, but that's a story for another time. But anyways, I'm saying that because we split things, right? And so in the mornings, And I was like, okay. I had to say out loud to him just last week, okay? So like, I'm here to just, to be a human and to be honest about how this stuff can go. I looked at him last week and I was like, I am putting all of this pressure on myself to do all of the things in the afternoon in the same way that I'm doing them in the morning. And I'm realizing that that's really unfair to me. And that's unfair to you because he's the one that is doing those things. Like he's already doing them, but I was putting pressure on myself to do them too. And for what?
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As soon as I said that out loud, he looked at me and he was like, well, but why? Why are you doing that? I was like, I have no idea. I have no idea, but I'm acknowledging it. I've noticed it in this moment. I am releasing myself of this guilt and shame to be there because I'm already there in the morning. You are a parent. You love them. They can also be taken care of by you. And I'm going to go in the office and work. And he was like, okay, babe, see ya. Really proud of you. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting. I mean, I'm sure we all do it to some extent. My husband has my daughter all day on Wednesdays because that's him and her time. And my time with her is all day on Sundays because he works on Sundays. I work on Wednesdays. And I was putting this pressure on myself to still be available on Wednesdays just in case they needed me. And I'm like, what do they possibly need me for? He is a perfectly capable human. He loves him to death. Why do I also need to make myself available? Like, All right, maybe need to tone that down, Stephanie. You can do what you need to do in order to provide for the family and to enjoy your work and feel fulfilled by working with your clients. Don't have to be always available. Yes, and I think that's so important. What you're sharing is to see the other side, right? The mom guilt is only the negative or the void of how we're not there, what we're not doing. But what we do on the flip side is, It's super, super important. You're doing work that fulfills you, that makes you feel happy and present when you get home. And making money is another way that you are caring for her, even if you're not physically there, right? And so all of those different pieces that take care of you and fill your cup so that it impacts how you're showing up when you are there and when you're home with them. We don't celebrate all of the things that we're doing enough. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, we all need to have mini celebrations for ourselves probably every week. We made it through another week. Let's do happy dance. Let's turn the music up and just sing along. Whatever a celebration means to you, I think we all need to be doing that more. Yes, and that's a part of rest in Rerooted is reflection. As a culture, I think there's so much that is so fast-paced, harder, better, faster, stronger, do better, work faster, go, go, go, go, go. There's not, and we're not used to pausing. After you are, for example, working out three days a week, if that's what you want to do, like taking stock after a few weeks to say, holy cannoli, I've done this thing, right? I wanted to do this thing. I said I was going to do this thing. I've done it. What's working for me? How is this making me feel? And how am I going to celebrate the fact that I am choosing me, the fact that I am taking care of myself? And when we build in more of that rest and pause and reflection and celebration, it also allows for more growth and for that sustainable change to keep going and continuing in whatever way, shape or form that needs to take. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to encourage you to share where can people find to work with you, socials and whatnot, so people can connect. Yeah, thank you. I'm on Instagram at underscore with Caitlin and that's Caitlin the Irish way. C-A-I-T-L-I-N. And my website is coachingwithcaitlin.com. I have lots of blog posts up. I have lots of different things on Instagram. Everyone can book a free call with me on the website if they're interested in, I call it a possibility call, learning more about coaching and what it can do for them. And I have a free weekly newsletter as well. So lots of different ways that I am here and I would love to support your listeners. Awesome. Yes. And all that will be in the show notes too. So don't feel like you have to write it all down. So thank you so much for being on with us today and hopefully everyone learned something and we'll connect with you. I hope so too. Thank you so much, Stephanie. I really appreciate the time to be with you. Thank you for tuning in to Redefining Us once again and share with other people so other people can continue to listen to Redefining Us and we can get into more listeners ears. If you follow us or subscribe or leave a comment or review, that'd be greatly helpful for other people to find us and also just for me to get some feedback. What do you guys want to hear me say? What do you women care about hearing? I'm totally open to Thank you so much for joining us. So you can be in the know with all the things that are happening in the Redefining Us community. Once again, thank you so much for listening and keep being awesome.Description text goes here