Episode 24: The Urgent Case for Comprehensive Sex Ed in a Changing World
What if the way we talk about sex, consent, and relationships could prevent violence before it happens? In this episode, host Stephanie Konter-O’Hara speaks with global sexual and reproductive health professional, gender-based violence specialist, and certified sex educator Scotney Young, founder of Roots and Boundaries. They talk about why comprehensive, culturally aware sex education is not just about anatomy, it’s about equipping people of all ages with the knowledge, skills, and confidence to navigate relationships with safety, dignity, and autonomy.
Scotney shares her two-fold inspiration for the work she does: the glaring need for accurate, accessible sexual health information, and the deeply personal loss of her aunt to intimate partner violence. She explains how unhealthy relationships often begin without obvious warning signs, why leaving an abusive partner can be the most dangerous time, and how early education about healthy boundaries can save lives.
We talk about Scotney’s upcoming children’s book on consent, designed for ages 4–7, which goes beyond “no means no” helping teach kids how to both assert and respect boundaries. She talks about the challenges of adapting the story for different cultural contexts, like Uganda’s communal sharing norms, and why these conversations require nuance, scaffolding, and cultural sensitivity.
Stephanie and Scotney talk about moving past “the birds and the bees talk” toward micro-conversations that normalize discussions about bodies and boundaries over time. Scotney provides practical strategies for parents of older children, including how to use media as conversation starters, model curiosity, and embrace moments when you don’t have the perfect answer. She also addresses common fears from parents, like the myth that sex ed encourages early sexual activity, and shares the research that proves the opposite.
This episode looks at why this work is especially urgent today, in a world of political backlash, book bans, and attacks on comprehensive sex education. Scotney urges listeners to see how they play a role in change-making, whether as parents, educators, or community members. Scotney leaves a powerful reminder: by starting these conversations at home and in our circles, we can help raise a generation who knows how to care for themselves and others.
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Welcome to Redefining Us, where we explore sexuality, identity, motherhood, and mental health to help women thrive authentically. Let's break free from roles that limit us and create a life where you can truly be yourself. So excited to have you tune in today. I have with me Scottney Young, and she is a certified sex educator, a gender-based violence specialist, and a social worker. And she's also the founder and lead consultant of Roots and Boundaries, a sexual and reproductive health consulting firm that works with organizations around the world to create programs that are inclusive, evidence-based, culturally relevant, and rooted in justice. We really talked I'm really excited for you all to listen today. Enjoy. Welcome back to Redefining Us, everyone. I'm so happy that you're here again today. And today I have with me Scottney. Yeah, just we'll dive right in and we can talk about what inspired you to do the work that you do and what keeps you passionate about showing up and doing it every day.
What inspired me? I think it's kind of two parts. There's like the side of doing this work. where I didn't see a need for it, right? Like, I think that the sexuality is such an important part of being human, right? It's like a key part of who we are and how we interact with each other. It's directly tied to the way that we form romantic and sexual relationships, which impacts the part we choose or how and when we become parents. our physical and mental health, our safety, our sense of self, you know, all of these things are tied to sexuality. And I think for me, I've seen a lot in the different things that I've worked in, young people in particular, but also, you know, older selves as well, adults as well, are really hungering for information about this topic. They feel like they don't really know how to ask for more information or find information. There's a lot of people who are even embarrassed to talk to their doctors about sexual health issues. And so when I see that and include the harmful and accurate and dangerous information that is readily available, it makes you want to do this and want to do this work. And so that's definitely a big part of it. I would say the other part is more personal. I think that A lot of folks were really kept by gender-based violence, by anti-partner violence, and it's impacted my own journey in a lot of ways. I think a lot of times we see in these stories where, you know, a survivor is using an abusive relationship to help what they do. But I think the reality is that many, many survivors end up living with global abusive partners for most of their lives or kind of stuck in a cycle with these partners. And that way, Definitely rethinking my family, and I'm not kind of leading my own work well for about almost three years ago. So, a beautiful partner takes her life. From her father, to the Navy, up to school, to employers, kindergarten, and kindergarten teacher who's going to be a school principal. And our family is still really grappling with that. So, I definitely think we need to do this. Yeah, that's
a really powerful story. I appreciate you sharing that. I think I don't know what the stats are. You might know since you kind of are in this world, but I'd imagine, unfortunately, a lot of people when they get into relationships don't know that it might become one that has like domestic violence, a part of it. And then at least from what I know, kind of gets stuck almost and they don't know how to leave.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've seen that a lot. I worked for my last job. I was a gender-referenced domestic violence prevention specialists for the domestic violence agency in Virginia. And, you know, that's very much the case. And there's a lot of misconceptions around people like, you know, well, why don't they just leave? Or, you know, I've been in the personal side. Why did they end up at the Alamo? And it doesn't start out that way. And by the time you're in it, you find... and all this immense strain and this immense fear that keeps you in it. And what we do know from statistics is that it typically takes a survivor about seven times before they can successfully leave an abusive partner because of that pull, because of that control, because of that fear. And on top of that, leaving is the most dangerous time for a lot of survivors. So yeah, it is something that I think You know, in a lot of ways, the work that I do is directly tied to it, because it teaches people how to have healthy relationships, but it teaches people how to manage their feelings and emotions and interactions in a way that is truly loving and is based on mutual self and self and safety, you know, and probably be fit for life where we have less empathy like that.
Mm-hmm.
I know some of the work that you're doing based on our last conversation is writing a children's book about consent. And I'd love for you to share about that because I think a lot of our listeners would be really interested. I know I'm really interested to see that come out.
Yeah, same for remembering. Yeah, so I've written a children's book about consent. I've written two versions of it because I currently live in Michigan. I live in Uganda at the moment. So I've published a book here in Uganda. I'm a woman working on publishing a U.S. version currently with Illustrator right now, and I'm really excited about it. But basically, it's just a little story for ages four to seven, four to six. And it's about not just the idea of, you know, consent being no means no, but really also thinking about what does that look like in a little person's life? And what does it mean to say no? How difficult that can be when you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. Or what does it mean to hear no and deal with rejection? Because rejection is a really tough emotion to understand. It's hard for adults. It's hard for kids. And there's a lot of skills that we need to build up to be able to do that in a way where we can still respect one another. And so that's kind of what the story is about, a little boy who has to say no to his little brother who really wants something, and then he learns this lesson with his dad, and then later on the next day at school, someone says no to him, and he has to manage that with the feelings and the emotional guidance that his dad gave him the day before. So I'm very excited about that. The children's book space around consent and body autonomy on all of these really foundational topics related to sexual health and well-being and healthy relationships. It's really, really expanding, and it's super cool to see. It's kind of a passion area of mine in collecting children's books about consent and sex ed topics, and there's just so many amazing options out there, so it's a really... great time to be a parent who might be looking for that type of resource because there's a lot of options.
Yeah. Yeah. I imagine it's a topic that maybe like I'm thinking about my childhood and I don't think I ever had a book that taught me about consent. I just saw this post that was talking about sharing what I thought was really interesting. And it feels like it has a lot of parallels with consent rather than Teaching your kid to always say yes to sharing. You can also teach them it's okay to say no, that they don't have to share and what's theirs is theirs. You know, sometimes it's kind to share, but sometimes protecting your own space and your own peace by not sharing.
Yeah, exactly. And that's absolutely a topic that comes up in my book as well, is that I try to practice with my daughter who's four. It's kind of unfair for adults to expect kids to share everything when we don't share everything. You know, we don't share a lot of our possessions day in and day out. for a variety of reasons. And so helping her understand the value of sharing, right? The importance of building community and how that can be a good thing. But if there are things that you don't want to share, That's okay, too. But then what do we have to do about that? If we have friends coming over to play and you don't want to share something, it's probably better that we put it away, right? And instead of, you know, just holding it where they can see it and not letting them touch it. That's not a good way to build community and build friends and make friends. So trying to give kids the skills and the a channel for them to actually voice that and express that part of their autonomy is equally important. And that was actually something really interesting when I was, I had written this story in kind of an American context and then working with a Ugandan publisher here trying to adapt it and to be, you know, more culturally relevant and culturally responsive. And we were really struggling with the editor of like, you would never say no to sharing something here. It is just not a part of the culture. It's actually very counterculture. There's this concept of Ubuntu and this concept of everything's communal, everything is shared. And so it's like, We had to change the story to think about what would be a reason why you might not want to allow someone to do something. And it's like, oh, okay, he doesn't want his little brother to play with this because his little brother, it could hurt him. You know, the small pieces, he could choke on it or something like that. And so that made more sense. And so there's also this cultural piece that I think is really important, especially in a multicultural context. society like the U.S. and kind of my background and some of the different places I've lived and worked and think about, well, what does that look like here? Or what does it look like there? And how can we explore those topics?
Yeah, I imagine it's a really, the word complicated is coming to me, but like nuanced, right? Like even teaching consent and sharing and this idea of protecting the Yourself and your bodily autonomy is very nuanced conversation and trying to have a similar conversation with people from multiple backgrounds, I imagine, just grows more and more complicated the more people you have in the conversation.
Yeah, yeah. And even just, you know, within a family, right? Like, you know, there's a lot of discussion there. or kind of awareness building around giving kids bodily autonomy. And the example that's always used is like, you don't want a hard grandma, we don't ask you. That doesn't fly in a lot of families or between generations, right? And so thinking about, you know, what does that really mean for our family and how can we balance our familial and cultural values with this idea of the type of bodily autonomy and cohesiveness that we want to instill in our children as well because both of those things we usually you know want to pass on to our kids right family values or cultural norms and maybe there are things we want to do a little differently and so that nuance can be a bit scary for parents I think sometimes of like how do I do this or I had a friend write me once because she was like You know, I've always taught my daughter, no means no. And we're a body, it's your body and your choice. And I was trying to get her dressed for school and she was just screaming, no, it's my body, my choice, my body, my choice. And she was just like, oh no, how do I respond to that? And so, yeah, it can be very complicated with our own feelings and also, you know, with the role of a parent. And I think it's important to remember that Everything that we teach kids, we've taught on this scaffolding framework, right? We add layers to it as they get older. And consent and bodily autonomy and all of these other topics are the same way. But first, we might say, you know, you can always say no. And then we'll add that layer of life. And with kids, I do need to keep you safe. So I can acknowledge that you don't want to do this, but I do need to help you, right? So we're adding lower levels. understanding as their capacity to understand expands as well.
Yeah, I guess for parents who are maybe just approaching this topic for the first time, maybe with someone who's already a little bit older, maybe they already have an eight or nine year old, I'm assuming you would approach this conversation different than you would with a four year old. Do you have any tools or ideas for people who maybe are like, okay, I'm already past the age for the book that you've written that made a nine-year-old be like, mom, I don't want to read this.
Yeah, absolutely. I will say one, there are books for the next age bracket up.
It's
a really cool, yeah, like I said, it's really blown up in the last decade or so. And, you know, I'm a big fan of Mahari's work that is like a positive family book. And they have on their website a whole resource list that you can look by book, you can look by article, you can look by video, whatever. You know, amains.org has a lot of great resources for short videos that are designed for middle school age, talk a lot about puberty topics. You know, that's really something you can watch together. You could have your child watch it and then ask them questions after. And then the regular India and stuff that you consume There's always lessons, there's always opportunities to have conversation around. You know, if you're watching something and you're like, what does it look like? He really wants to do that and his friends are pressuring him. Like, what do you think about that, right? And look for those opportunities to have those conversations. It's really never too late. And it's also never too late to go back. I think there's this idea that for parents, sometimes we have this pressure of, I have to say the right thing. You know, my child asked this question and I answered it wrong and I don't know what to do now. And it's totally okay. Not only is it okay, but it's such a good example to be like, you know, you know, yesterday you asked me this question about where do babies come from? And I really don't know how to answer it. And I think I gave you the wrong answer. Can we talk about it again? Right? And showing them what that looks like to not know the answer to them. And that's okay, right? And how can we find it? And so, yeah, I do think the conversation can get even more interesting as your kid gets older and there's room to explore things together, especially given the stuff, the kind of range of content and media and information that kids are exposed to. You know, they are going to ask you questions that you don't know the answer to. And so, yeah, releasing that fear of you don't have the right answer and just letting yourself explore it with them is, I think, a good way to foster that relationship and that curiosity and help them see that they can trust you. And they will continue to bring things to you if they feel like they can trust you and you're not going to judge them and you're not going to lie to them.
Yeah, I guess what I'm kind of hearing you say is really for the parent redefining what the conversation looks like. So I think at least again, I'm going to use myself as an example and maybe throw my parents a little bit under the bus here. But I think my experience was there was all this buildup to have one conversation. Right. One conversation. And I think back and I'm like, Man, it might have been easier to have like little micro conversations along the way rather than having what felt like this really awkward, uncomfortable conversation in the fourth grade. Right. What about talking about it when I was five or six or seven and just building it up?
Wow. Yeah, exactly. That idea of scaffolding not only is better for our child's development, Yeah, that's time to become more comfortable with these topics and to kind of practice having these conversations. And, you know, at the beginning, it kind of starts with just teaching anatomically correct names for body parts, right? And how important that can be for health or safety, for all of these things. But then also, so when you want to talk about it later, they already have that vocabulary and you don't have to, you know, start some scratch of like, you know, well, we've all moved over this, but technically it's this. And then you're like, wait, what? Like, so yeah, it's such a, I mean, yeah, I hesitate to say better because I try to be, you know, but I do think it's a much more accessible way to approach these topics with your kids is to have these micro conversations that come up all the time. Find, you know, children's books that have these topics. So, you know, it's one book that you read out of however many books you have right in your family library. And I'm kind of building on that a little bit, you know, every day as they get older and as these things come up.
Yeah, it helps to normalize the conversation. So then when maybe your child has a question, they will be like, oh, I can ask mom and dad about this thing. I don't have to go ask the kid on the playground this question and get potentially inaccurate information. I can talk to my parents.
Yeah, more realistically, Google, right? A lot of young people, even, you know, middle grade. kids are using Google to answer these questions. They're now even like Captain T, right? All the AI stuff. That could be an important part of the conversation, too, is if you want to find information, how do we make sure we're finding real information, credible information? You can show them how to search something on Google and have that conversation with them as well. And so I just think, yeah, it's a much more accessible and approachable way for parents, too, to think that and then you start out, like I said, with kind of base level of like, you know, where do babies come from? Well, there's a sperm and an egg and they join together and it grows in uterus and then there's a baby. And that's pretty good. Most kids don't have a lot of detailed questions after that because you've given them something solid, right? And then when they do, then you can add a layer to it rather than add more information to it.
Mm-hmm.
What do you think is the most surprising thing that maybe people ask you a question about over and over that you're like, hmm, I'm surprised this isn't widely known knowledge?
That's interesting. That's an interesting question. I think it's kind of different for kids than for adults and parents that I work with and stuff. Because I think one question that comes up a lot with parents is, how can I talk about this stuff? Won't I just be teaching them how to go have sex? And, you know, isn't this just going to make them more curious about things? And thankfully, there is a ton of research that I can turn to, that I can point parents to that show that that is not the case at all. That, you know... Introducing kids to comprehensive sex ed topics, both in a formal education setting, but also in a family setting, are strong correlations. And I think the argument could be made for some causation as well, are strong correlations to delayed sexual activity, to young people, you know, having much higher levels of confidence of self-esteem of you know, better relational or emotional intelligence, all of these things. And so that's not what we see. And if you just think about it, you're not usually like, you know, wow, my mom just talked about sex. Now I'm going to go look up pornography. Like, you know, your brain doesn't really work that way, especially for young kids. They're just like, huh, that's interesting. And then they move on, usually, right? They move on to... Minecraft or whatever the next thing we're going to do is. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's definitely a question that I get a lot. It really spans. It is just a wide array. And I usually save all my anonymous questions from some of the classrooms that I do because they're always so interesting. But I think for a lot of the older age group that I have, There seem to be more questions around either one, things that are seen in pornography and wanting to understand it and wondering, is it real? Is this what people expect? That type of stuff. And then on the other hand, I get a lot of questions around like, how do I tell my boyfriend or my girlfriend that I'm not ready to kiss them or to have sex or something like that, right? That feeling of feeling this social pressure to... Do things to have sexual experiences that you're not ready for or wanting, but just not knowing how to have that conversation at all. And so that question comes up a lot too. I
am curious how you would answer that for a young person. As a therapist, I've found that I have some clients that come in and they're like, oh, like, you know, my girlfriend said that she'll break up with me if I don't do this. Or my boyfriend doesn't want to be with me unless I do this. It's like, then I talk to, I tend to talk to them like, is that a relationship that you want to be in? If they are saying you do this or this other thing will happen, that feels like a really big consequence for saying no. Do you want to be in a relationship? that has that kind of consequence for saying no to something that you don't want to do. And that's the way that I approach it, but I'm not sure if you would give different perspective from the
education. Yeah. Yeah. From the education piece, I think that's kind of a foundational part of it. It was like, I kind of frame it in that, right? Like first and foremost, you know, if you feel like saying no to somebody is, is going to make them break up with you or treat you poorly or something like that. You should be asking yourself, you know, is that about the person you really want to be with? Because that is coercion. That is abusive or at a minimum unhealthy. And so kind of, you know, setting the scene with that. And then the education piece comes in, which I think is really important because sometimes grownups can get more conceptual. And young people want concrete, like what exactly do I say, right? And so I think a lot of people do. I think a lot of people do. So then we're going to turn to like, okay, so thinking about how do you bring it up first, right? Text message comes up because a lot of kids have these conversations on text message or instant messaging aspects of different apps, right? And so, you know, you can ask, oh, it seemed like you wanted to be more the last time we were together. Like, I am interested. I just don't know if I'm ready for that right now. And leave it at that. You don't have to go too much into it and see what your partner says. And then we can go from there. Sometimes when you say that, might be pleasantly surprised that they're like, oh my gosh, I understand. I don't want you to feel uncomfortable. I like you, right? Or they might be like, well, you know, if that's how it's going to be, then I might end this relationship or whatever and then see earlier conversations. But yeah, and so I am big on helping young people, especially adolescents, think about what does that communication look like in their life? Because I can tell them like, oh, follow the having conversations in person and blah, blah, blah. But that's just not the reality. They're not going to usually. Younger generations don't have a lot of practice having prep conversations in person because they have all the other options. So, you know, moving them where they're at with that and thinking about what can you say? Keep it simple. I'm usually asking the other students for ideas when I have a lot of great ideas too.
Yeah. I guess my hope is too, especially if this is like in a class setting that now all of these kids are in the same place willing to, I don't know, support each other. Because I think sometimes it can feel really isolating having these thoughts or these feelings and knowing like, oh, other people aren't ready for this too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not the only one that feels like I, you know, don't want to just immediately kiss, you know, my boyfriend. Right. That we've known for like a couple days, right?
Yeah, absolutely. And to kind of let folks know if you're on the other side of that, that other people might not be there yet. And that's okay. And not everyone is where you're at. And that's okay, too. And so I think that's a big part of why specs educational and formal educational studying schools is so important to do in groups. Because everyone's getting that same information and able to see that versus it is great to have, you know, these family discussions as well. And that's really important. But when we talk about prevention and when we talk about primary prevention of sexual violence and things like that, it's so important to build that community knowledge, right? And let folks know that everyone's getting the information at the same time, even if they're thinking about it differently or hearing it differently from other places.
Yeah. And yeah, I really like this idea of normalizing. It's so interesting. Again, I'm going to use my own personal experience here, but in my formal education about sex was learning about menstruation and then later on learning about STDs and, you know, what could happen if you became pregnant and And just, I don't know, it was just like also fear-based. And I would love if the, in general, the conversation became more than just sex and STDs or penetration and STDs. It's more than, you know, pregnancy and this huge conversation about relationships and safety and how to take care of yourself and like physically, emotionally, spiritually through this conversation. experience of our sexual wellness.
Yeah. Think about all the things like, you know, our sexual wellness and health are tied to, you mentioned spiritually even, right? How many people have values around sex and relationships that are directly tied to their spirituality or their religion? You know, it's such an integral part of our lives and our human existence. And I think that's where sex ed is, and a lot of folks in this space understand that, but not everybody does, it is more than anatomy and condoms on bananas and scaring people with pictures of STIs. It's about giving people, especially young people, which are my main focus area, the tool and the information they need to understand their bodies and build respectful relationships and navigate their world and their the interaction and their relationships with with agency and dignity and care for themselves and for others and it's not a one-size-fits-all lesson plan out there there's a ton of different curricula there's a ton of different resources and it really is an ongoing conversation and it does need to be rooted in kind of real lived experiences because we all have different experiences. And I think a lot about how culture and identity and power and oppression shape what we learn about sex and consent and connection. And so, yeah, I just think it's very important to think about how we want that information shared among society, but especially amongst our younger generation.
I guess, why do you think now more than ever, it's important for people to be taking sex education seriously or sex education as like a fundamental part of things that children and adolescents need to be learning to take themselves into adulthood? It's a big question.
Yeah, it's a big question. It is just, yeah, I mean... for all the reasons I said, right, is the important part of humanity. But now more than ever, I think because we're just in this time of like you talked about complexity, but even more than like complexity, I think like contradiction, right? Like we're in this time of deep contradiction where on the one hand, We're seeing a lot more open conversation about these topics, about sex and sexuality and gender, than a lot of us have even in our lifetime, much less our parents. But then at the same time, we're witnessing this political backlash, right, between book bans, where a lot of the books that I was just talking about earlier, attacks on comprehensive sex ed, their intentional, organized attacks, YouTube videos that tell parents, how do you tell your school that you don't want any sex ed in your school? And not to mention policy-wise, stripping LGBTQ rights and bodily autonomy and all of this stuff. And so we have this dichotomy, this contradiction around us where this topic is very present, we can find it, there's a lot of different options out there, but then we're also seeing political leaders actively working against this information, instituting policy that realizes sex educators, that discredits research-based, evidence-based, comprehensive sex ed. And meanwhile, many of these leaders have credible sexual assault allegations against them. And, you know, Our young people are seeing this. They're caught in the middle of these tensions and contradictions. And so I think that, you know, it's also like in the nightgowns, right? And they say, like, we are seeing these nuanced conversations about masculinity with the new Netflix show, Adolescence. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's popular talking about, you know, how this rigid idea of masculinity where men should dominate at the expense of women, right, is something that is very prevalent and very easily accessible. And so, you know, we have all of these things happening simultaneously. And like I said, young people are caught in the middle. They're hungry for information and... clarity, right, and more understanding. Yeah. And so I do think that makes it really important to bring up in our families, to advocate for in our schools, in our communities as a mom, but also as a gender-based violence specialist. I know the stakes are really high. Yeah. And they're very real. And so our kids are growing up in a world that's really connected, but also confusing. And so if we don't give them the tools to navigate this, they're going to be stuck with Google or misinformation that they find in other places that's intentionally harmful in a lot of ways sometimes. So yeah, I think that's an important message. It's important for us at every level of society right now.
Yeah. I keep trying to remind myself, even if we're all like just I don't want to say one person, like if there's a lot of people who are just one person moving in the direction to change things and educate people and tell people based on this research or based on these experiences, these things are factual. Yeah. Hopefully we can make enough noise to disrupt the misinformation that is out there.
Yeah, I mean, it's very scary to see. I mean, even before the current administration, U.S., like, federally would have financial incentives for states that did abstinence-only education, even though we have mountains of research that shows that that is not effective. And so, yeah, it's definitely... It takes a lot of us to create change, but also... we can do that in just our own sphere, right? Like you're saying, it's just one person. And I think that can hopefully be a little bit more accessible to think about what does this look like in my family, in my community? You know, something I hear a lot as well in this field is, you know, parents who, you know, talking about throwing my own parents under the bus. Not intentionally, they did the best they can, right? I love them. But, you know, there was this idea of the best way to keep kids safe in terms of anything related to sexuality or sexual violence is just to control them, right? Completely. And, you know, the more restrictions you put around this, you put around them and what they're able to do, the safer they'll be. And I think that that is kind of, well, the one thing that's kind of counter to my philosophy as a sex educator, which is really justice and liberation and equality, is that we can see what this looks like in our community or practice what this might look like in our community. To really promote body autonomy, I think of The idea of like sleepovers. Sleepovers comes up a lot, right? And so many people are like, you know, I've heard all of these terrible stories about people who are sexually abused, whether by other children or by adults that are there. And so my child will never, never go to a sleepover. And, you know, when we have these hardline approaches to things without thinking about How can we still promote bodily autonomy? How can we still promote, you know, dignity and choice and consent and balance the safety of our kids, right? And maybe for our community, that looks like, oh, well, there's always two chaperones from different families at a sleepover. Or, you know, we only do family sleepovers where we have two other families come and each family has their own tent or whatever the thing is, right? finding ways that you don't have to just use control but we can use communication and we can use problem solving and we can try to do fun things and show our kids that that's possible but we want to also highlight how important these conversations are and that type of stuff so yeah I think that's an important element of like how can we bring this message, these concepts into our own minds in different ways.
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maybe that hopefully will take off some of the pressure of, we don't have to change the world. Not everyone can do that. It's a big, it's a big, yeah.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I definitely think it starts at home and in your community and just, yeah, I hope everyone continues to have these conversations that are informed and based on research and All the good things we talked about here, but I want to respect your time. So please share with everyone where they can find you if they want to connect with you or learn more about what you have going on.
Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me and having this conversation. My website is rootsandboundaries.com. So my independent consulting website. firm is Roots and Boundaries because I think we all need Roots and Boundaries to firm and rub ourselves and others. And so rootsandboundaries.com, Roots and Boundaries on Instagram, rootsandboundaries at gmail.com as well if you know what's being cheap. So there are a few places you can
find me. Well, thank you so much for sharing and thank you so much for being on today. And yeah, I hope people reach out to you. You have a lot of good things going on and I really appreciate the work you're doing in the world.
Thank you. You as well. Thank you so much.
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